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Wikidly

    FIRST for the first time

    BenaoLifedancer

      oh this is new

      ELDEN RING

        first...3rd

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        ZESSER MAN

          4th in the house

          Quart

            5TH BOIIIZ

            Dr. Orpheus

              Nova could use a snack.

              gabem776

                Does Dark Seer’s increase of his lvl 15 talent from +90 to +120 make it a better choice now than 14 Health Regen?
                +90 to +120 what? DAMAGE. points off for not including units.
                also sixth, I think?

                theo

                  dank memes

                  SmokedArce

                    poor monkey king, not even that great yet gets nerfed into oblivion, rip.

                    The Legendary Phenom

                      Just fucking marketing strategy of valve. Release a imba hero with so many people will spam it and by hats then nerf it hard later

                      フェイタン ポートオ

                        dank post dude

                        Brünk Hüll

                          The Dark Seer change would be more beneficial if it were at lvl 10, but even then it's too late into the game to make a difference. The Ion Shell manacost made a bigger difference to him overall, forcing him to be a little more present in the frontlines.

                          Also note the acknowledgement to respawn time being picked in losing situations in the Sand King section. A 2.3% difference isn't much, but it is close to the overall winrate increase, which suggests that it is a strong factor in the increase to the winrate. My guess is that SK will continue to increase in winrate as people pick the talent more.

                          Mohammed El Sayed

                            Nerf tinker.

                            rüm

                              buff spirit breaker

                              ThunderWarrior

                                Still waiting for arc warden to rise from the grave :|

                                EL "清冲" RECOBA

                                  still waiting for arc warden and broodmoter to rise from the grave

                                  Archon Warden

                                    I like where arc warden is rn. Playable and not broken enough that almost any player would play him. Only those that know how to, play him. I'm afraid if he receives a huge buff, dumbasses would start spamming him again like when he was released (me included). And 17th

                                    Mohammed El Sayed

                                      M.C.T.
                                      Yeah, add +1170% chance of bash.

                                      Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap

                                        I think sven's cleave needs a nerf :/

                                        code10

                                          20 <-_-> FF

                                          cornflake

                                            Bring brood back #bbb

                                            DrobiLa

                                              it's interensting that monkey king bar has a true strike but monkey king himself does not have it, since it sounds like the 'bar' is monkey king's staff. I think he should have a passive ability with true strike... it could be added as the fourth ability with a aghanim upgrade maybe

                                              JJ

                                                nerf tinker pls

                                                Veridis Quo

                                                  Luna rip? From 56% to 53%, haha. Just made her not totally OP

                                                  paweq

                                                    обоссали обезьяну

                                                    slegach

                                                      Why do they ask about arc warden buff any patch? Senseless hero who is played around breaking mechahics side effect with no core idea except this side effect mechanics breakage. If you don't think so just try to explain what arc warden is to any dota 2 newcommer. Needs rework as new lone dru.. sniper does.
                                                      As for the topic, don't understand why to buff 55% wr Zeus.

                                                      mani ni bali

                                                        sad life for luna :(

                                                        Croyakzz

                                                          i played doom on my other account this day 4times . 4w-0L

                                                          Croyakzz

                                                            16mins-17mins midas+radiance+boots

                                                            Edge

                                                              Chen should get a buff, please.......:(

                                                              no9rip

                                                                я ваш рот нааборот

                                                                ETd

                                                                  WitchKing his 1st skill is True Strike to all heroes. That's where the MKB effect is.
                                                                  What I don't understand are the heroes that are played neither competitively nor in pubs, yet ignored by Valve. Specifically brood and furion. They pretty much have all heroes filling a certain niche role, and can be picked as a secret strat, but the rat kings are dead. You can try to play them as traditional carries/offlaners, but they are inferior in most cases. Cri (only care because they're my upcoming all hero challenges tbh, haha)

                                                                  Alice Margatroid

                                                                    This is so wrong, necrophos decrease in winrate is because movementspeed nerf not agility gain nerf

                                                                    Gorgon

                                                                      I suspect Necrophos' win rate drop wasn't due to the reduction in agility; it was due to the 5 MS reduction that prevents him from getting in position and remaining survivable. Now 10 heroes are as fast as and 22 heroes are faster than Necrophos who weren't before. The drop from 290 to 285 is arguably the most damaging movement speed drop possible to a hero.

                                                                      I'll also point out that Shadow Demon's drop is not just due to the changes to his own hero, but also to the changes to Luna which severely reduced his win rate with hero, a large portion of his games overall.

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                                                                      BLUE POWER VAN

                                                                        You forgot to actually write what the change in win rate was for shadow demon, or post his graph.

                                                                        Brünk Hüll

                                                                          The necro speed decrease is offset by an increase in his lvl 15 ms talent from 15 to 20, and by that time the ms is overshadowed by a multitude of other factors resulting in a death (chain stunning, blinks, etc that can easily compensate for a 5ms positioning error). So the window in which it makes a difference is very roughly the first 20 minutes or so of the game.

                                                                          Alternatively the move from 1.7 to 1.2 results in 12.5 agility loss by lvl 25. I'm new to doing the math on this stuff, but if I understand it correctly it means a reduction in armor by 1.75, or a 10.5% decrease in effective hp. In the late game, it's more likely that you will encounter physical damage so it makes a notable if situational difference in the late game.

                                                                          These changes definitely make the lvl 15 choice more important, as you are either going to be slower in the late game or miss out on 18 agility (instead of missing out on 12). So the question I'm posing is whether Necro players are being too headstrong in the early game or in the late game.

                                                                          pogric

                                                                            i am pretty sure weaver needs a nerf. this heroes damage is ridicilous in the early stage of the game.

                                                                            1-IceTea 🌟

                                                                              Nerf luna more

                                                                              fvcker

                                                                                page 1 is closed. Gay and noobs commend onpage 2

                                                                                Celine

                                                                                  I got cancer from reading the comments here

                                                                                  A violent misogynist

                                                                                    Rip Luna? Clinton pls... she still has top winrate of all carries. Her nerf is basically 6 dmg so its kinda harder to lasthit (as if its hard at all with lunar). Night Vision merely rescalled and the armor? WHO DOES EVEN TAKE ARMOR?

                                                                                    fvcker

                                                                                      the one who cancer is who commend with the number

                                                                                      The Legendary Phenom

                                                                                        Moon glaive not bounce in baraks pls

                                                                                        pepepe pero somos bicampe...

                                                                                          Buff Arc Warden to rise from the grave

                                                                                          Brie-lubs

                                                                                            what the fuck where are the weaver nerfs. Please valve get it together. Weaver makes low mmr ranked hell to get out of. My skill range is above 6k mmr but with terrible teams holding you back in that range it is impossible to traverse higher as a player.

                                                                                            Havier

                                                                                              pooteen sooka

                                                                                              rush

                                                                                                Its that true that 3.5k is the max calib. Aww wtf how can i have my 4k mmr.

                                                                                                Sad