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General Discussionlich or cm for ez mmr ?

lich or cm for ez mmr ? in General Discussion
all role player

    pls answer the question with reason
    any other hero suggestion is invalid

    TripleSteal-

      cm

      all role player

        ^ reason ??

        cartel

          Cm used to be bae but after nerfs its lich ofc.... only problem with lich is he drops pff hard with no items..... u still secure (always) a won lane.... a few won team fights and high ground defense..... another problem is no lock down but thats why I get atos on him....still u r even more reliant on ur team with lich so its definitely not ez mmr ..... fuck supporting dude if im not picking cm.... buff the ice babe plz

          foxZ

            play sven be a man

            cartel

              ^Theres always this one guy

              NaturesProphet

                cm's better because even if you have no idea what you're doing you'll still have some impact just because of the global aura

                Autumnus

                  if party mmr, spam IO in 5-stack party mmr games, but if solo mmr, spamming jakiro is extremely good since his talents are really good, and he is extremely easy to use, cm isnt really good to spam right now i think because of the nerf, lich is good too and lock down isnt really a problem since you will have a initiator hero on your team, vengeful is great, she can right click pretty well and her ss can be used to save and kill, definitely crucial for game winning plays

                  all role player

                    i do say that suggesting any hero is invalid... sigh
                    any jakiro/cm spammer id ? i'm tired playing carry and want to be carried lul

                    voLcano

                      depend on your team lineup. If they lack of mana regen better use cm (like bb, ursa, etc). If u have initiator like magnus or tide i think it's pretty same, u just need to manage your position and spell since low level cm cant use ss if u already spam skill 1 and 2 coz of her low mana. Lich is good in early because his 3rd skill (by eating creep u get solo xp, mana, and manage the creep position) and skill 2 to defend tower early. I think it's better with lich, but make sure u have tank in front so u give fears to enemy (they will always think not to gather up)

                      Autumnus

                        @volcano, having very hard times in sea?

                        voLcano

                          @never give up!!, sea player is still ok if u just mute the fucking vocal one. hahaha Put Tank in the Mall

                          Dire Wolf

                            Kinda depends, for first pick probably cm cus she's more versatile and aura helps whole team no matter what. If enemy has a weak safe lane then lich is better cus you can go offlane solo or dual and kill their carry or deny everything. Thing is lich falls off pretty dramatically mid game until he picks up aghs, and even then it depends on enemy team makeup. If they all get bkbs or are ranged with hurricane pikes your ult is useless anyway. Frost armor scales nicely though.

                            Lich safe lane is strong but kind of wasted with what you can do to an offlane carry. Sometimes you have to though like if your team picks spectre or anti mage and you need to babysit.

                            MILNOR

                              I love Lich. the people are right when they say he falls off but if your smart with item choices you can stay useful. Also be patient with his ult. stay back and wait for the fight to start then wait a further 3 seconds and get those ultra kills while all your cores are dead. this way you have a good score when u lose and can flame your team

                              Dire Wolf

                                CM kinda falls off too though, but cus she has stun and a slow she's a bit more versatile than lich. Lich with aghs vs a bunch of melee cores is REALLY strong late though.

                                >tfw no gamer girl peeing gf

                                  CM, do not max Aura first or you will use your one spell and be a useless right-tickler (your right click does nothing and you are slow and squishy)

                                  👉👉P O S I T I V I T Y :D

                                    Cm is broken
                                    One of the scariest heroes to play against and best to play with from my experience

                                    TripleSteal-

                                      the reasons cm being good universally, and lich utility being highly dependant on the draft
                                      also side note: lich is a very boring hero to play

                                      ImagineDodong

                                        CM all you need is awareness and great positioning and don't forget to build Atos TIS GUD, the downside of Lich is High level players doesn't really get caught out of all the buonces of his ult unlike low mmr's.

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                                        Hy~

                                          No matter how much you're screwing, CM will give bigger impact than Lich. Just running around T3 after lv 7 and your teammate still get regen. My winrate with CM is really good lately.

                                          evy

                                            CM is definitely more versatile and braindead

                                            evy

                                              How am I supposed to throw spells without maxing aura with the mana cost nerfs without ferrying 20 clarities rofl

                                              Riguma Borusu

                                                also side note: lich is a very boring hero to play

                                                he's not if you're sadistic, so you max sacrifice and watch the enemy carry cry in despair because his supports can't do shit in his lane and he's the same level as the opposing dual offlane.

                                                evy

                                                  Low complexity supports are boring anyway in general

                                                  [Lk].Zano

                                                    I always make sure to Kill-steasecure as much as possible so I don't get bored to hell while playing Lich. Also, make fun of the other team because I sometimes end up with 3 to 4 boots before winning.

                                                    TNL.Jolly_Hotdog

                                                      ww

                                                      all role player

                                                        thanks for the recommendation guys !
                                                        i will stick with pos 4 supp
                                                        geez pos 5 supp is really hard !
                                                        playing cm 5 game 1 game win
                                                        playing lich 5 game 2 game win(because enemy meepo)

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                                                        nekocan

                                                          Cm all the way
                                                          -Frostbite
                                                          -Slow
                                                          -Mana regen