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General DiscussionI spammed Spectre to get Divine. AMA!

I spammed Spectre to get Divine. AMA! in General Discussion
the better spidey

    I wouldn’t go as far as to say she’s the “strongest” hero of the patch lmao. It’s just I find good Haunt usage can effortlessly fix the pitfalls of pub teamfighting: vision and positioning.

    BlackXargon

      What about my inputs on this hero? :)

      www.dotabuff.com/heroes/spectre/players

      HaffyTaffy

        Hey Xargon do you still have that blog?

        the better spidey

          I remember I was a struggling 4k player when I first read your blog @BlackXargon and I felt we were such similar players with a similar goal!

          HaffyTaffy

            I was 2k and he mentioned me in his blog, I still get raging hard-ons and strong orgasms whenever I think abouasf khSDhfv dfzbvg fd bfvgd avshabvdASKbsK Hbnb n bbjjjjbhb hjb hjHJB

            the better spidey

              UPDATE: I got to Divine 1! Which is a nice surprise, previously I just planned on staying at my Divine 0 mmr before recalibration. Got the medal pretty much on accident.

              There were a couple of bumps in the road from me trying to make not buying Radiance work. I've come to realize that it's either ...

              a) I'm not good enough mechanically to Haunt -> instantly scan all 5 heroes to see someone I can blow up instantly -> Reality -> Manta -> Hit -> Dagger in under 1 second.
              b) Radiance just fits my playstyle, and my bracket's playstyle, better.

              So yeah, if you're anything below Divine, Radiance "rush" is definitely viable and the way to go. Tl;dr,...

              Power Treads -> (Possible Wand if lane is contested by multiple heroes) -> Aquila -> (Possible Urn, Drums, Blademail if in losing position or teammates decide not to buy some of these crucial items. If you think you are going to have to buy more 2 or more of these items, consider getting Phase Boots instead and be a bit more active in fights) -> Radiance -> Manta OR Heart OR Spirit Vessel (if Urn was bought) OR Blademail.

              Skill build: Prioritize Dagger (this is your best farming tool) then Desolate then Dispersion. Possibility of prioritizing Dispersion over Desolate if buying an early Blademail and going against damage you can't avoid like Jugg's Omnislash. Such cases are very rare though and it's sort of hard to explain.

              Talents: Set in stone; HP Regen, Stats, Extra HP, Dispersion Talent.

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              睡眠-

                i myself greatly consider the vanguard after treands and aquila, before radiance.

                ofc it does depend on the enemy heroes and how much they can rightclick and otherwise pressure you.

                on a 2nd thought, its influenced by my desolate damage (into 100% haunt illus damage @25) choice

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                Dunning-Kruger-Doto

                  My built (modified old beesa built):

                  Starting items:

                  Stoutshield, 1 Salve, 6 Tangos (maybe 2 branches, if offlaner spams spells, so I can get wand)

                  Early Items:

                  Aquila, Roh

                  Midgame:

                  Radiance

                  Next item is Mantastyle:

                  Why manta? Cuz you can splitfarm with illus and hide in the jungle. Farm 1 camp with 1 illu, farm lane with illu, farm other camp with hero.

                  After this I go refresher orb. 2 Haunts= Nothing alive, that can threaten you. This built requires some discipline by your team to fight arround haunt, cause you can't go toe to toe with some enemies without going the classic tankbuilt. After refresher I go diffu and then butterfly or shotgun. Shotung gives more damage to illus.

                  Skills:

                  Dagger>Desolate>Dispersion. Haunt always when possible.

                  Talents: Desoloate, Stats, Extra HP, Haunt talent.

                  With the new lvl 25 talent is basically 1 spectre for every enemy for 14 sek. Nothing can withstand this. No bkb, no glimmer, no euls. You lack HP compared to the tankbuilt when you go in, but so what? What can fight you after 14 sek haunt?

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                  the better spidey

                    Lmao building RO right after Manta in a tight / losing game is basically asking to get throned right after they 1)Ignore your illusions and burst you down 2)Kite you to no end.

                    And all of a sudden for the next 3 minutes you’re 5k gold behind the enemy carry.

                    Sheep

                      I also play spectre alot but am no where near the level you are.

                      Most games I can pin down why I lost but I had one that I was really stragling with.

                      Match 3898817719

                      1. I had really bad early game. I was constently aftaid of doom + Sk stun combo thats why I hide in trees so much and didnt LH creeps.
                      as a result of that I got really late radiance. What should I have done in this situation? last hitting creeps was very risky and standing under tower (what I basically did) brought Doom big exp and net worth advantage.

                      2. When I got some items is what bothers me the most, because here is where I probably had the most control/impact and this is where I could made a change. every team fight I got kited to death. I died much more in this game then the usual 2-3 deaths I get.
                      One idea I had is getting bkb instead of some other item, but what?

                      Please help me,im just a player that tries to improve.

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                      Dunning-Kruger-Doto

                        Hf ignoring that illuisons. i do nt even show up in the first haunt at all, if needed.

                        the better spidey

                          @supa hot

                          This is what I’ve been trying to say - the easiest way to beat Spectre is to just lane her against big, tanky offlaners that can kill her at level 6; Doom, Omni, LC, etc. Even worse if it’s a dual lane.

                          You did pretty good at the laning phase, as you understood your #1 priority at this point, which is to keep your T1 tower alive as long as possible.

                          I don’t like you maxing Dispersion first though. You need to ALWAYS max dagger first.

                          With higher levels of dagger, you can:

                          1) Maneuver in/out of engagements easier with better movespeed advantage.
                          2) Actually present a kill threat to the enemy offlaners if your team decides to help you gank.
                          3) Kill someone using your first Haunt.
                          4) Farm jungle camps / push out lanes faster in the hopes of recovering from a bad laning stage.

                          As for your mid/late game fights, going against Doom AND Lifestealer is always going to be a problem for you. Luckily, all of their supports are easy food for you. So that should be your priority always. Get Manta after Radiance (which you did) and just blow up that Skywrath.

                          I wouldn’t have built Heart this game though against Lifestealer. I would’ve bought Spirit Vessel instead. And a Skadi. Be on the offensive.

                          the better spidey

                            F*ck it, I’m resurrecting this thread again, as I got to...

                            ***DIVINE 2***

                            ...using team challenge coins!

                            (And the ranked system is still going on.)

                            Got it on a Spectre game too. One of the most straightforward, “textbook” Spectre games, definitely. I did almost everything right. Check it out, it’s my last game (went against Pango Slark WR.)

                            Also can anyone explain how I managed to rank up through party mmr?

                            Use chatwhell=mute

                              btw can i get divine by party cuz i just earned 400 mmr by team token. it was easy and i only played 3 matches

                              the better spidey

                                I got to Divine 0 by solo mmr, and to my knowledge that's how it's supposed to be (party mmr caps you at Ancient 5).

                                Lettuce

                                  CBC reading, but set build varies depending on lane.
                                  But safe bet is.

                                  4mango
                                  Stout + quell
                                  Treads + lots of tps & rotation if needed
                                  Vanguard or ring of health
                                  Yasha or rad if freefarm
                                  Manta
                                  Refresher or butterfly
                                  =gg. 30-35mins

                                  the better spidey

                                    Update : HOLY SH1 T I GOT TO DIVINE 3!

                                    Tbh i don’t understand. These team challenge coins are definitely bugged / imbalanced.

                                    I’m sitting at 4850 solo and 5510 party.

                                    My girl Spectre got me this far <3. (And my boi Lifestealer, lmao.)

                                    A

                                      Just waow

                                      Feachairu

                                        you'll get div 5 on 6,2k pt

                                        nyx

                                          keep up the good work :D

                                          DC.MASON

                                            you'll get div 5 on 6,2k pt

                                            what the fuck

                                            Alexia

                                              What is the meaning of AMA? can someone explain?

                                              the better spidey

                                                A quick google search "ama meaning" would tell you it means ask me anything.

                                                Feachairu

                                                  @marin
                                                  me serious marin,need to unlock divine medal first from solo tho
                                                  since my fren has 6,8k pt ancinet 4 lol

                                                  Machado98 #xatubaking

                                                    Vanguard Spectre is legit in my bracket, I had a 14 win streak doing the same thing: rush vang, rush radi and then get as tanky as I could
                                                    Vanguard might not be ideal in higher brackets but in lower ones it's amazing. Makes you very tanky early on so you can handle offlaner harass or tank a creep wave because your support made a shitty pull, it happens. Vanguard makes Spectre independent in my bracket and that's what I need, until I get good supports consistently I just can't rely on them, therefore I don't see myself not building vanguard anytime soon

                                                    I won a game one time going Spec Offlane, rushed Vanguard and it was all gucci, sure back then offlane was way easier, no way it would work now, I just was perplex how vanguard saved my ass that specific game

                                                    the better spidey

                                                      Let’s put it this way. Vanguard is only better than other items (Drums, Blademail, Urn, etc.) during the first 10 minutes of the game.

                                                      And so, the heroes that have Vanguard as a CORE item, like Axe, aim to dominate their lane, get a lot of farm, and then buy that Vanguard ASAP in about 5 minutes.

                                                      As Spectre however, the story is different. In a lane where you’re experiencing “shitty support pulls” and “constant offlane harrass”, as you’ve described, you are NOT getting that Vanguard before 10 minutes.

                                                      And after you do, you’re a useless melee creep that does nothing and has nothing to speed up your comeback farm.

                                                      Not saying that there arent’t times where Vanguard is situationally useful, but I do believe that even in trash tier games it’s more beneficial for you to get other items, ferry salves, and get that level 10 talent.

                                                      BlackXargon

                                                        Lol. I thought this was legit until I looked at his games and they were all Party Ranked Matches

                                                        J3RRICA

                                                          i spam spec and y still ancient , sad life :(

                                                          the better spidey

                                                            @Black Xargon my solo mmr still got me to Divine 0 though. It’s all this party mmr coin challenge fiasco that got me further.

                                                            BlackXargon

                                                              Did solo mmr spam spec got you to Divine 0?

                                                              the better spidey

                                                                Yes. 80-90% of the games were Spectre. I started at Ancient 2 or 3 i think.

                                                                CUTNPASTE

                                                                  Vanguard is garbage im certain.

                                                                  BlackXargon

                                                                    How did you draft Spectre? 1st pick Spam?

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                                                                    DC.MASON

                                                                      dominator > vanguard

                                                                      PrizmIzOld

                                                                        ^
                                                                        you are a brave boy arin

                                                                        Mid

                                                                          3919443766 can u watch this game and say what i did wrong @the Better Spidey?
                                                                          pls ty i was spec

                                                                          the better spidey

                                                                            @BlackXargon get into game, ban Doom/Omni/Ench, highlight safelane, highlight Spec, then proceed to type/voicechat that I intend to carry, and that I would probably pick Spec.

                                                                            Works 90% of the time if you use voicechat.

                                                                            Showcasing my 22 winstreak Spectre with 63% winrate also helps.

                                                                            the better spidey
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                                                                              the better spidey

                                                                                @Shin ho boy here we go.

                                                                                1. Bring more regen in lane. 3 tangoes will never be enough.
                                                                                2. Spec + CM in lane is super weak, especially against 2 offlaners. Alas, you could've played better and sapped more exp if you ferried more regen using the courier and even farm the small camp a couple of times.
                                                                                3. Why didn't you use the shrine? Think 100x before you waste time pointlessly going back to base.
                                                                                4. You need to "read the lane" and understand that if only you had Boots before your Aquila you could've died way less (and wasted less time walking back to base lmao.)
                                                                                5. Once I'm at a point where I'm sitting at 24 last hits and not even level 6 in 10 minutes, I would immediately jump ship to budget items like Urn, Drums, Blademail. Also, you're against a Morphling. Your team NEEDS a Spirit Vessel this game, and no one buys it when you could have. Also, why did you take the Desolate and the Haunt damage talent?
                                                                                6. It's VERY hilarious how much you died pointlessly between minute 10-15. At this point, the game's supposed to be pretty much over for you. Luckily the enemy team didn't end quick enough.
                                                                                7. 20 minutes = 45 last hits. 8 deaths. Sure. "What did I do wrong this game?" XD Lmao. None of your Haunts were good. You felt like you could play super aggressively when you only have PT Aquila. You kept flaming your teammates when as Spec, you are USELESS without your team. You need to read your team movements and play accordingly.
                                                                                8. Passive BM lul.
                                                                                9. 37-MINUTE VANGUARD XDDDDDDDDDDDD IM DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

                                                                                Yeah, I could go on and on. At this quality of play a you can't just look at one game, point at a couple of mistakes and fix them. Every click you did was pretty much inefficient. At this point, the best thing you can do to improve is to watch pro players' replays.

                                                                                A

                                                                                  Last time im playing spectre on patch 6.88

                                                                                  Back then i have trouble pushing tower and finish the game after you have 3-4 item

                                                                                  I juust want to ask. How do you do to finish the game especially against turtling strat

                                                                                  I can watch your replay but maybe ask you is more efficient

                                                                                  Wukz

                                                                                    @spidey - the real MVP for watching a full Crusader 3 SEA gameplay LMFAO
                                                                                    also cant beat my spectre winrate gg

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                                                                                    the better spidey

                                                                                      @PENSI DOTA

                                                                                      Pushing highground is the reason why I like Heart on Spec after Radi + 1 item, sometimes even straight after radi.

                                                                                      High level players go BOOM BOOM BOOM but in pubs pushing highground is a war of atrition. 90% of the time you win by having Rad + Manta + Heart at 33 minutes and just MANNING THE F*CK UP hitting towers and you don't care. Then reset, rinse and repeat.

                                                                                      Ngentot Yuk

                                                                                        Senpai . I already spamming this hero.. and look my recent games (go green)
                                                                                        Have any opinion about my spectre ?
                                                                                        Show me ur way senpai

                                                                                        ✡RomiLianZ✡ | LiSA☄

                                                                                          I prefer getting a vanguard first for sustaining lane then get the lvl 10 talent desolate, phase boot, the radiance blademail manta/diffusal heart abbysal well by the time i get those items its over ez win...well its always depends on your team mates some support dont know how spectre works...they just need to baby sit him for a period of time to get her basic items for sustaining lane or for jungle if lane is too hard...well but if u think u owned the laning better rush radiance. Spectre is one of my Favorite hero too. i use iy specially when im against Tinker and Sniper...because if i get 3-4 of my items i can easily kill them.

                                                                                          the better spidey

                                                                                            To the above two posts - stop getting vanguard and realize that shrine + salves + not jungling recklessly + staying in lane + regen talent is enough to sustain you.

                                                                                            Get vanguard if you’re against PL.

                                                                                            I’ve already posted my build and playstyle somewhere in this thread so if you want to know how I play check that out.

                                                                                            Btw i’m currently 5-3 in my calibration games pretty much spamming Spectre wish me luck boys.

                                                                                            unbreakable spirit

                                                                                              The most I enjoy picking Spectre is against Tinker

                                                                                              DC.MASON

                                                                                                dominator > vanguard

                                                                                                source: top 70 player

                                                                                                DC.MASON

                                                                                                  i would like to ask why are games against enemy spectre a fucking nightmare regardless of how much she gets dumpstered
                                                                                                  as opposed to games with spec in my team where it feels like we can lose any second if she's six-slotted

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                                                                                                  Gssaikone

                                                                                                    all i can say is vanguard first on spec = 2 or more enemy heroes to try to even kill you. gives you free farm most of the time. go figure.