Its not supposed to be a whiny thread . I want to beat those ancient 3 or 5s . Just tell me what to do . This particular match was the worst match , and the best example i could give .
You cant win them all, its one game, deal with it, even on smurfs people dont have 100% winrate. Also medal means jack shit, it could be from party ranked or solo ranked, you dont know that and you shouldnt really care about it just play the game and focus on yourself.
PS: playing alche in this patch and rushing radi without any defensive item is just asking for it tbh, stick to meta dude, meta exists for a reason.
Well I lost my lane which caused the game to lose . Lets say a 6k mmr player was there instead of me , he would have won the game because of alche was op there . I know i wont get that good just bcz of paying attention to someone telling me what i could have done , but atleast i will have a small idea on WHAT TO DO in such cases
Seems like it was more of a winrunner game, and you didnt had enough nukers or heroes that counter her and ofc she could do what she wants all game and you could just watch. From 5 heroes in your team, 3 are doing poorly in this meta you were one of them. There is no such thing as "good alche game" beacuse of spirit vessel, he had endless charges because of kill difference your ult dispels only 1.
Only way to pull of alche pick is to play it like antimage, avoid fights and just eat rax. But that doesnt go unpunished in this meta and thats why people dont pick alche.
1 armour mid hero lost mid to windrunner, go next.
Just think about it on paper for a second, in what world does an alch ever 'beat' a windrunner mid even on equal skill levels,
you're not really supposed to win that lane. But because there was a skill gap, and the wind runner had the favourable matchup, you kinda got shafted.
definitely doable. i beat divine1-5s all the time while i just reached divine 1 myself. even beat an immortal a while ago iirc.
i'll watch that game later and tell u my thoughts. if u got discord add this channel so u dont make a whole thread for each match or conversation: https://discord.gg/sXQ2s9p
@Hyperstoned Yeah i know what u are saying I thought that earlier also , but i think i wanna know what if the skill level was not equal and he was 5k player while i was 6k . What would i have done then . Just to get the idea what to do . Even though it seems impossible.
@Sia Thanks I appreciate ur struggle .
Who the fuck cares about their rank?
MMR differences in a soloq game are 99% between 50-200 MMR max.
Valve sometimes gives you unwinnable games for sure .Today I play my shaman is just running at dual enemy offlane and keeps dying 0-17 and OD is losing mid to pudge 1v1.
@Tribo , no one cares about their rank and yeah its mostly balanced . But the diff was not even 200 max . 5 ~4050 players again 4 ~4050 players and a 5k mmr player is not balanced no matter how u look at it . I thought he is an acc buyer who feeds and got matched with low mmr players but thats not the case here either
just by clicking on the game without even watching it, i think its safe to assume you felt completely useless for the entire duration of the game, you went some Greed, acid build... on a mid, which kinda turtlenecks you into a 'i have to farm' mode and also makes your lane litterally un gankable. Which also in turn, destroys your rikis game and your pudges game, because both those heros are dependant on getting early kills in order to stay relevant.
Skilling greed at 1, thats pretty good.. i can appreciate that because of the bounty changes. the next 10 levels? well i disagree with them almost entirely.. you have a riki + pudge on your team, both of which can help kill and/or harass any hero with a little bit of setup.
If i was playing the lane, my build would look something like.
Greed -> stun -> Acid -> acid - > acid -> ulti -> Situational.
Even with acid in lane, lower levels of it have the aoe of a shoebox, there is a very good chance that wind runner just walked past it/stood in it and right clicked you for twice your damage, and you cant even trade hits with her (with the minus armour) because she has windrun.
Stun however, when the creepwave is up to the range creep, you can charge your stun and walk up her hill... Stun for some damage and get the range cs. i mean 160 damage 1.75 second stun that forces them to retreat is nothing to scoff at.
I also would of made sure to get an uphill ward, not sure if you did but it'll help you not get fogged when charging early stuns.
Also, if you ever get a pudge/riki rotation pulling out a concoction at 2mins and setting up your pudge for some cliff hook can really ruin an int heros day.
It's safe to assume she out level'd you because she powershot every range creep and either harass'd you 6x for every range creep you went for or she denied it because acid is useless.
Mid game blah blah, You went the 'i need to farm' build. I challenge you that next time you play alchemist, don't go for the 'I need to be the 12 slotted 1200 gpm nightmare'. go for the 'i need to tank damage and frontline for my X hero'.. solar crest, halberd, ac kinda items. even a blademail is quite the meme vs a windrunner :). Your team lacked any form of 'frontline tower taker' untill jug has atleast 3items, so adapt and be that guy. Don't get me wrong, the radiance manta blah blah build is arguably the best build, however if you did manage to come online and be that same powerhouse, you'd soak so much of the map that your other cores would be in struggle city and become non factors till you pool them aghs.
There was a time when concotion continued charging while it was in the air, i used to go alchemist mid.. 400 damage Aoe 4 second stun btw.. (it used to tick to about 500 damage.. + medalion was like 700 damage 4 second stun) go brown boots medalion into blink and max stun. Unfortunately i'm pretty sure that build is dead now, but it was quite the meme Charging stun, Tping in and 1 hitting a maiden with a 0.5 second concoction
That being said, it's probably still a lost lane but once you get lvl 3 acid it's time to farm multi camps, theres a few videos on youtube about the sweetspots for alch to farm, its even better if you have supports stacking for you. (you're a 5 stack, it probably should have happened but it didn't).
@Hyperstoned , after actually absorbing what u said , i simply agree with u . But it was not that i thought this rad blah blah build was the best here , its just that i couldnt think of what to do here . Ur Concept about getting 1 level greed 1 stun and then upping acid to be able to harass mid and then jungle is something i cannot argue with , and its actually true if i did that i wont have just stuck in lane uselessly. Wp and thanks
I went to watch the game but i realized it's 22 days old. Replays can only be downloaded if theyre less than 7 days from when u played em.
I still would say the answer is in finding top alch spammers and watching them play in similar type of situation
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So This game was the start of my unbalanced ranked games . I played this a while ago . We had three ancients 1s,two legends 5s while their team had two legend 5s , one ancient 1 ,one ancient 2 and one ancient 5 wr who was mid against me .
I basically tried my best along my team with calm calculated game no flaming even though draft wasnt the best . But they were too good . They basically stomped us . It really hit me in the heart .I wanted to post it but my pride was just so hurt and i started losing games after this one .Now seeing many similar posts i have gained courage to show this shit game of mine .But the bigger problem is that the pattern keeps on coming . They have one ancient 3 or 5 while our team is of legend 5s or ancient 1s . Only few are balanced with all legend 5 or ancient 1s . But if they have ancient 5 and we also have ancient 5 (only 2 or 3 games like this ) Our ancient 5 sucks ass (basically acc buyer sad luck )
Now onto topic that they have superior game sense to us and i cant even see what i did wrong . I kindly ask someone such as @Sia to guide me . Im just stuck here .