i mean, draft phase is very inportant this patch/meta, i mean, not picking any stuns, or 4 melee heros in general sounds like a dumb idea(ofcourse some exception) being toxic = NOT ok, telling someone that they fucked up a draft, so in the future they might think about it = i have no problem with.
^thats toxicity
you probably know fighting toxicity is like being david, and fighting against 1000 goliaths
i mean, at OP saying ``people who complain about draft are cancer`` i would say can be considered toxic too, its just depends, i really dont think if im telling someone that they fucked up the draft because or X or Y in my opion, that it is toxic, i didnt call that person any names, no foul language, just telling them that they fucked up and they should consider something in the next game...
it's so tilting dude. if u just call me a retard i mute you. if someone is complaining about draft i ALREADY KNOW they're tilted by some bullshit, it makes me just wanna dc because i know theres like a 40% chance they're gonna buy midas and run around feeding
90% of games are purely based on draft. Once the draft is game losing nothing you do or how well you play or even if suddenly a pro player takes ur seat and starts playing for u will change the fact you lost.
90% of games are purely based on draft
ur a scrub. theres boosters with 90% winrate in ur bracket, get good
Whats the point of complaining about draft, in this shit patch team who has mid last pick will win in 99% of the cases unless they throw the game somehow.
So u play captains mode and complain about draft or u guys play all pick and complain still?
I have played a lot of Captains mode lately and there is this dictator mentality where captain pick 5 heroes and assume team can play em. I got tilted some times when trying to suggest hero for me and doesn't get it. Then i'm forced to play some hero which I haven't played at all
it makes me just wanna dc because i know theres like a 40% chance they're gonna buy midas and run around feeding
That's my feeling when some retard picks a shit hero drafting.
Complaining about draft is the usual, everyone gets salty when Pl picks Pl into es-lion
A Good Draft Wins The Game Easely. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4329360506 a bad draft.
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4354490314 A longer game but we where stomping once we got our items.
1k crusader trash here anyways.
In dota i wouldn't think 3 squishy supports are gonna carry you to victory?
people who dont know how to draft and choose their hero in mind before match (and mostly lock on sniper/pa/am) are cancer.
whats the reason to repeat they ruined the game cuz of picking a countered core? : "so theyll maybe understand their mistake and hopefully their next game would be less cancerous for their teammates."
guys seriously draft or mid or carry matchups don't matter
it's the team that gets vlads + crimson first that wins
or the team with the lich jugg lane
5 Core/carry lineups have a lot more success then AA Oricle Rubick. Line up.
what is really triggering me, is being team with 4 fucking russians, insta picking meepo mid, then dying 2 times and picking everyone in the map a billion times.. you know whats worse then that, reported that same russian piece of shit, and then being teamed not 1 more time, but 2 more times in my last 8 matches, its like im playing from the beggining against a stacked deck, how can i ever as an outsider beat the house, if im already 1 step behind from even before the pick/ban phase, its absurd
You say complaining about the draft is cancerous, but let me share what just happened. I waited 20min to get called for a game in ranked roles and had a team with which we communicated an idea very fast. We get Tusk NP offlane, Visage mid, and I would play pos 1 drow. All that was left was for our support to pick a tanky pos 5, so we suggested Tide, Brew, Sven, Tiny, or Doom. The support says nothing and insta picks Bane in 3rd pick(a hero who is off-meta and pure garbage unless you play against a very specific offlane). So we got stomped and lost. People like this don't deserve to play this game if they can't talk and coordinate with their team about what hero is needed for a line-up. At least don't play ranked roles if you are not willing to play as a team.
for our support to pick a tanky pos 5
@mentally exhausted Ancient 5 saying this? Really? I understand if he mention Brewmaster or Ogre, but safelane Pos 5 Sven? Doom?
is it? but Bane is all he wanted to have, Ranged, Disabler, Durable, Nuker, Support, I think he is being toxic
I think the draft is not that important in < 4k. Of course your Team should have some basics. Like: not 5 cores, a late game hero when you have techies in the game, etc.
But there are a lot of people with a very small hero Pool out there. And i rather have a spectre with 200 games in my Team than a terrorblade with 0. Even if tb would be the top pick here.
@ mentally exhausted
Yeah Sure you lost because your pos 5 picked a normal Support hero.
If your mid last picks Storm into Am. Or your carry picks Am into void,lc,bane Hard lockdown lineup thats annoying.
But a Support playing a Support is for Sure not a gg its over boys scenario.
lol yes, you are right, even when there is lion and ES going for support role, end up Lion going Core build and ES useless because didn't understand the hero casting time and messing up clashes
If you pick something objectively trash and gamelosing I'm going to call you out for it, any immortal player should know when some picks are bad/atrocious and picking awfully despite knowing better is just being a dickhead.
yes, doom and sven are actually good pos 5 heroes for high mmr,
different skills have different meta bros, I cant play them as pos 5, but i've seen pros do it because of the recent changes.
all draft players coming out of the woodwork now, let's analyse the average mmr of players who think the game is 90% draft
In god bracket (immortal) I can see how important the draft is from watching streamers and pro games. In the real world with normal people I think draft is almost irrelevant. (Speaking from experience of being the lowest of the low 2k gamer). No-one in this bracket knows how to play any hero well, otherwise they would be much higher MMR anyway. As I am beginning to discover, the key to winning isn't about the heroes so much as how you play the map. Farming patterns, knowing when to intiate, predicting enemy movements etc. etc. That is why people who are high MMR can stomp 30-0 with Io or CM in games several thousand MMR below their own.
Having said that, it is surely better to have a teammate with loads of games on a hero rather than a totally new one, even in situations where technically one is stronger than the other.
^You are wrong, in every bracket matchmaking gives you 50% chance of winning, it doesn't matter if its Herald/Crusader/Legend/Divine/Immortal
That means that things that will decide the outcome of the match are drafting and teamplay. Imagine if you play Morphpling on your bracket, what gives you better chance at winning? Fighting team with Axe and Ancient Aparition or fighting team that doesn't have those heroes and you can do whatever you want?
Counterpicking yourself will make the game harder no matter the bracket you play at, unless you are smurfing then ot really doesn't matter.
Once again, wrong.
Comfort picks will outperform counter picks in almost every bracket except for perhaps in midlane.
^
Excel is pretty much right. By saying the draft if the reason you lose you're kinda forgetting the fact hero spammers exist for basically every hero in the game, and those sad bastards know their favourite in and out. If you're a terrible rubick you probably wont beat the guy with 20000000000000000 games on enigma.
If you have a problem with the draft, just bring it up post game or abandon and save everyone a wasted hour.
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IDK why so many people think bitching about draft is ok after the drafting phase is over. You're not going to change the draft, why are you typing
It's understandable if you're trying to communicate an idea -- hey we don't have any silences against this weaver, if someone could build orchid that'd be great.
But it's almost never like that. Usually it's just "GG we have no stuns/4 melee/no carry" with no offered solution. Surely these people know they're just getting muted