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General DiscussionShould I give up?

Should I give up? in General Discussion
Farzad

    I've been played dota 2 for 4 years, but I still stuck in 2k shitters, should I accept I'm retarded and give up on this game ??I mostly play support is it anyone here who played support to high rank?is it possible to be 4k above for me??

    I had several accounts and this is my last account ,the only thing that changed in me is that i'm no longer toxic(my other two accounts had low bh under 4k.Now this account is 9k)

    I have another problem too, I got anxiety when I play , how should I fix that

    kowareta

      tbh i was guardian when i started playing this shit game, after that i reached crusader then i stuck for a month and i made new acc and got archon
      if u are making new accounts after 4 years and still cant get archon legend, yeah probably u must quit the game or playing it in fun mods

      its possible to raise mmr with any role , its about how long it takes , with supporting it takes more time to raise mmr

      -_-

        there are 2 aspects of raising mmr which can also improve your life imo:
        1. you set yourself a really big goal. you motivate yourself to get to that goal. goal must be really high. every morning you get up look into the mirror and say to yourself: "I am the best.", "I can do this.", etc.
        2. you should learn tools (ideas how to approach different situations ingame) via replays of pro matches. for example high level carry player will pull enemy creepwave into a big camp (and will not only farm creepwave but also a big juicy camp) if enemy offlaner is getting behind tower and skipping the creepwave.

        main idea is to get motivated to get higher and to know how to basically play dota.
        you can also try watching replay of pro player playing certain hero (for example if I wanna learn earth spirit I would watch Yapzor, Jerax, Rodjer, etc.) and watch game from his perspective with speed of x1.5, x2 (depends on you) with NO sound of dota and music on (since it is in x2 speed sounds of dota might be really annoying) then replica everything he does until you have your own opinion (for example I'd say I can make 2 bracers this game before urn even tho Jerax is always going urn first item).

        Hope this helps!

        Farzad

          @airu

          Thanks for advise i'll try that.biggest problem I had is that I feel guilty after losing a game which makes me avoid playing.
          @Kowareta
          Fun...heh never heard that:D.Ty for response

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          -_-

            When you will be motivated and grow that confidence in yourself there will be no guilty feeling in you. Sometimes analysis of why you lost the game make the feel go out (works for me)

            Alpha

              Not as long u r enjoying it or getting any kind of benefits.
              U can take a long break as an alternative.

              Cashmere

                Playing support will not help you gain mmr and there is absolutely no reason why you should at that bracket.
                Have you ever seen a booster that climbs with crystal maiden or oracle or anything of that sort?

                Also all of the very high ranked support players know how to play core well and a lot of them got to their ranks originally by playing mainly core. Obviously when you get to ~5.8k+ you can start maining support if you want, but up until then playing core is the most reliable way to control the game and gain mmr.

                JP

                  I can somewhat relate. I started way back in 2014, and only recently did I reach 3,005 solo MMR (Archon VII, horrible I know). Like you, I have doubted myself as well. There was a point where I've even dropped below 2,000 MMR and seriously considered quitting or even switching accounts and re-calibrate possibly with a higher MMR (but, I didn't). Simply because, what's holding you back on your old account will mostly hold you back on your new one as well (not the case for everyone, but for me it was).

                  Watch guides or replays on YouTube, so you can better yourself and understand what your problems are & what ways you can improve on. Functioning as a support role is not easy in my opinion, because mentally speaking you will be drained (especially in your current bracket). I would suggest switching roles and play as a core, either mid or safelane since your plays will be a bigger deciding-factor whether you win or lose.

                  Also like @airu said, play with a positive & healthy mindset. You won't get anywhere if you're constantly getting nervous. There will be moments where you feel completely hopeless, but bury such emotions by telling yourself otherwise. And even if you don't win, remember it was only one game and you shouldn't falter because of that.

                  smurfs = no balls

                    never give up, never surrender

                    Mekarazium

                      drop the game
                      4 years is more than enough to get 6k.

                      Geckolimus

                        WTF are you crying about? I have 5k games and I’m still 1K MMR.

                        Man up.
                        Gecko

                        Rocket

                          if you really want to get better then focus on improving rather than winning.

                          but seriously, get some perspective - if you are getting anxiety playing a game then your subconscious is probably trying to tell you something...

                          Oldman

                            "1. you set yourself a really big goal. you motivate yourself to get to that goal. goal must be really high. every morning you get up look into the mirror and say to yourself: "I am the best.", "I can do this.", etc.
                            2. you should learn tools (ideas how to approach different situations ingame) via replays of pro matches. for example high level carry player will pull enemy creepwave into a big camp (and will not only farm creepwave but also a big juicy camp) if enemy offlaner is getting behind tower and skipping the creepwave"

                            First part Im like "Ok, very well said".

                            Second part is like WTF. Dude its just a video game and you're putting your life energy and effort on virtual thing.

                            Yo OP what is the problem with you ? What is your problem actually. You wont be a pro anyway, so either take a break from the game then come back and try to have fun again (since its just a video game) or just give up entirely. Why do people take this game so seriously like your mmr e-peen will give you real life puusssy in reward. It will not, so whats the point ? Showing off your virtual number to another virtual friends ? Just think about it. If you get to 4k, then you will feel bad you cant reach 5k. If you somehow get to tier 50 team, you'll get frustrated that 16 year old kids from Pakistan are outplaying you on daily basis. Its a non stop frustration for a person that takes this game too seriously begining from salt level in-game and ending on non stop ladder.

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                            refleksy

                              as a support (94% support games before I wanted to climb ranks)

                              1) stop playing support in ranked. take 10 unranked games and play a carry or offlaner, then take it into ranked. get comfortable with 2-3 just in case one is banned. ( even better make a new alt and only play mid on it). it's horseshit to say that 'you can support in ranked and still go up in rank,' doing that is like throwing yourself into the ocean and telling it to send you to a faraway island.

                              2) play mars. HUGE base damage will be easy to LH with, even if you're not well practiced due to always supporting, huge HP so you can learn to be comfortable in the thick of fights, and HUGE teamfight ult that you're probably used to as support. dude WILL be nerfed in the next couple patches.

                              smurfs = no balls

                                stop playing support in ranked?
                                that is not a solution... just play what role u want and git gud, thats how u get more mmr, its not about ur positions

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                                A

                                  If u used to play supp just play supp don't practice carry you just wasting more hours. I think your approach is wrong. Try to supp by making enemy having hard times don't play supp to make your dogshit teammates easier life

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                                  LucaManny

                                    We have so many people posting about get blue star by playing only support.

                                    What a retarded solution by saying "dOnT sUpPoRt pLz gO oNlY CoRe"

                                    I have a few friend that used to play with me everyday on high school. Normally i play core and he playing pos 3-5 all the time. While i am around 4k solo and 5k party, he go up all the way from 1k party to 3k party by supporting me ALL THE TIME.

                                    Not only party mmr, when i encourage him to play his solo, well if he play mid or carry i can tell he is still retarded as 1k and he struggle with it, but when he play support he is like normally 3k player as he used to play with me with that mmr. As 3k play in 1k, he go up by playing ONLY support from 1k all the way to 3k.

                                    So tl;dr, play the role u fit the most because i am pretty sure we actually have our mmr at each pos for example if i play pos 3 i can tell my skill is equal to 3k so i am avoid playing pos 3

                                    VISHNU

                                      You actually don't learn the game by playing it (kinda shocking statement). You learn it by practicing, and training specific aspects. That's why some people can climb 500 mmr in 1-2 weeks by getting coached by a high mmr player. I have a friend who plays Dota for 7 years (5000 matches), and he is 1.2k mmr, so you are still better than him. He could be much higher, but he refuses to learn, and follow any suggestions.

                                      Other thing is to ask yourself why do you play Dota. You might discover that you only do it because you want to prove sth to yourself, instead really enjoying the game. If I'm right, you should just take a break. That's what I discovered about myself yesterday, after screaming to my team & dropping 2k behaviour score in 5 days. When you lose perspective, and start acting like an asshole, it's time for a break.

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                                      Bupche

                                        GIVE UP SON,unless you enjoy it.

                                        Farzad

                                          @Lex

                                          I don't know, my brain forces me to play this game and reach 4k while I'm not comfortable, It seems it's not me who plays this game it's my other self or someone is controlling me or put a knife under my neck,somehow I trapped by my mind constans negative feelings like you are a retard , your IQ is low ,you can't reach anything in your life even in a video game ... bullshit like this pops in my mind and I can't fucking control it and it's makes me more uncomfortable , just want to be free from my mind (just wanted to off my chest).

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                                          Cheap Laugh Guy

                                            You can take a break and switch to spectating games instead.

                                            varjager

                                              Play some unranked games and test some new heroes/builds thats what i do when i want to play casual.

                                              '96 Neve Campbell

                                                PLAY 👏 FOR 👏 FUN
                                                If you arent capable of getting above 2k make dota a hobby instead of a chore

                                                Molly Carlson

                                                  No wonder why am I spamming Drow Ranger/Necrophos these days… 250 MMR gained in just 3 days lol 😂

                                                  Pro tip: try to play highest win rate heroes every this week (or alternatively find Meta and play who has the highest win rate according to your rank).

                                                  mute all

                                                    if you are playing to have fun and youre not enjoying it anymore then give up..

                                                    Farzad

                                                      Thanks guys for your response,I'll try my best to change my mindset wish me luck. I need to come in my sense that it's only a game.
                                                      @Geckolimus s
                                                      True man who plays only to have fun :)
                                                      @RiZE

                                                      Oh, you gave me hpe:D

                                                      @Revenant

                                                      The first hero I learn was a support (shadow demon) and my friends always ordered me to play support . for that i play sup a lot I don't know other roles and scare to play it.

                                                      @refleksy

                                                      Mars rocks!

                                                      @A

                                                      Yea i'll focus on that .
                                                      @Desephviasco
                                                      Yep , I agree.
                                                      @VISHNU

                                                      I'll take brake from dota , i need to refresh my mind.

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                                                      Feachairu

                                                        you should took airu advice pretty deeply i think

                                                        but yea,if you already tired of the game just stop playing

                                                        its possible to get high rank as long you try imo

                                                        not sure about supporting but if you can win 3 lanes and get alot of gold as a sp that'll be great and you can start raping everyone
                                                        problem is,that is super duper fucking hard to do and probably only some heroes can do that

                                                        core is probably the way if you want to get mmr imo cause you dont really depend on others

                                                        BeoWulf

                                                          I'm pretty sure you can climb mmr using support. I once had a 4 carry draft and everyone shouted at last pick to get support. He picks CM and proclaims 'i'm not support, I'm carry and a smurf. I will get rampage this game'. Of course everyone of us starts fxxking him and his whole family. He didn't even buy the courier and ignored us. One of us had to get it.

                                                          He proceeded to carry the game and rampaged. First and last time ever I saw someone rampage with CM.

                                                          And anyway, if you are not enjoying the game then you should stop playing it. Or get a new perspective and think about enjoying the game, not chasing mmr?

                                                          DSP

                                                            There's a lot of games that wont make you anxious. There no point reaching 4K and still be anxous while playing.
                                                            Take a break and play other games. If you really want tot play dota again, then read the comments above and try to improve.

                                                            Fuka suginai o nīchan

                                                              Please give up

                                                              Feachairu

                                                                nothing to be ashamed too if you gave up,its just a g a m e why commit

                                                                TheRedemptionArc

                                                                  If u got problems while playing video games such as anxiety consult yourself with a doctor. Probably that is keeping u from improving yourself. Every game says that if something is regular happening with it either stop playing the game or consult yourself with a doc.

                                                                  ILikeGumball

                                                                    Holy shit, if you are hearing voice like that, check your mental health. You have biggee peoblem than dota mmr

                                                                    Soggy Bottom Boy

                                                                      I was stuck in Crusader I and reached Archon I by end of last season, then after recalibration "dropped down" to like Crusader IV (which is almost same as old Archon I) and climbed back to the new Archon I. In ranked I never play mid or carry, mostly I play position 4.

                                                                      You can climb with supp, maybe slower, but you can. The important part is how you treat games where you loose your lanes. Cause loosing lanes does NOT equal loosing game. Stay positive, WARD!!!!, buy SENTRIES as well, have DUST and even try to make your team cooperate in a SMOKE gank. Don't farm camps yourself cause you want x item, but stack camps and secure your carry the farm.

                                                                      Androgynous

                                                                        either just accept its a game and that you probably won't get any better at it if you just play casually, or you can put in the time into actively trying to improve. just playing more matches doing the same things won't make you better. watching replays and trying to practice specific things you want to get better at does.

                                                                        matrice

                                                                          If you enjoy playing dota, no reason to give up.

                                                                          If you just play to become a top player, then yeah give up (unless you are still a teenager -wouldn't recommend even in that case though-)

                                                                          And supporting is the hardest role to play to climb, simply cause you don't have to support the same way at all depending on the bracket your are playing, while most core (especially snowball core) are to be played in quite a similar way no matter the bracket.

                                                                          (As an example, it's totally possible for a support to be stuck at 2k, cause they have 3k mmr skill, but support like they should in a 4k bracket (and if you give them a 4k account, they would chain lose cause not skilled enough, and if they are 3k, they would continue to lose cause they don't support like they should for the bracket, until the point you are outskilling enough the bracket so that ineffective way of playing is counterbalanced by outskill) -dunno if that's your case-)

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                                                                          Joli hotdogs

                                                                            dont give up bro. i cant relate much of your situation. but if i were you . master one or two hero and spam it. youll get better chance of winning then.
                                                                            try to spam necro or wk . those easy heroes if mastered will help you for sure climbing medals :) quiting aint the solution bro ! keep forward .

                                                                            ¿Qué estás haciendo tú?

                                                                              There is a thing you MUST do in order to improve: watch & analyse your own REPLAYS, doesn't matter if they are wins or losses. How? First, watch guides, replay analyses, coaching sessions from pro players like BSJ, Henry Rawdota, etc. You will learn the drill. After that, watch your own replays and keep asking yourself: What did i do wrong here? Was there any better thing to do? And item choices etc. You will come up with many more questions during the time watching.

                                                                              Pos1-2 are the only two options here. Below 4k bracket, you'll have to carry yourself. Sometimes you'll get lucky and get carried, but don't expect it to happens. Sometimes you'll hit badlucks, just start a new game.
                                                                              I don't often play Dota. The proof is i only have 1.2k hour of playing after 5 years. But i still managed to climb from 2.2k at the begining to 4k now.

                                                                              Jacked

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