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Picking the role you queue for in General Discussion
JAX

    I wanna know how's that working in high ranked games, I got 10 games 9 of which the hard support or the support picked a carry and it is annoying me beyond measure, u wait 10 min to queue for safe or off to have someone getting a game in less than a min cause he queued support then picks carry

    Spírít

      At Ancient 5 and 9.8k behaviour score my teams have never picked outside their role without actively communicating their intent and receiving approval from the other player in the role (our legend 5 mid agreed to support instead of mid since our support was divine 2)

      Spírít

        I have the sneaking suspicion you are 500 behaviour score yeah?

        Shm1l:)

          What they finely made to chose what roll you want to play it was a time for that.

          JAX

            it was 800 something then picks outside the role was happening more frequently and I lost every single game the hard support picked morph or bristle or similar no matter how I played and I dropped to 500 in a day

            JAX

              @moonlightshineaswaveofnight dont get too excited it's actually worse

              Shm1l:)

                @JAX I give up on Dota long ago, now is WoW hipe maybe back some day, but it was nice anyhow. MAybe will try after summer?!

                Atha

                  Guardian should just play the Guardian way , the ancient barbaric way back in Dota 1.

                  No role, no thing called support existed. Midlaner buy courier since he has solo and fast level advantage, buy obs if you thing your lane/jungle is too dangerous for you, buy dust to kill invisible heroes.

                  Guardian can't play efficiently anyway, so having support is useless. They will all farm for 40 minutes, so just pick all carries and be self-serving support for yourselves.

                  Support are only important on Legend ranked and above where people actually starts to push mega at 10 or 20 minutes if the enemy realize your team doesn't have enough fighting power to fight them.

                  DO NOTE that Magic Carry also existed and they need less farm. Lion with ethereal blade agha/ Pudge that rush dagger. You can't call yourself a supp if you just pick support heroes then idle all day not taking any farm because u're a 'supp'

                  Bupche

                    if someone takes my role i will ruin the game 100%
                    if you don't ruin=beta male

                    LegendaryHD

                      OP is still guardian and probably have low behavior score, the problem is most guardian still didn't realized or know what is pos 1-5 so they still think it's still on old system.

                      Since you are core player I'd suggest you keep pick midlane or safelane to avoid punishment from valve for not picking the role you queue for, and no matter how much core in your team you have to pick core and never tilt and focus on farming, that way you can gain your behavior score back and climb rank more quickly.

                      JAX

                        @Aqua That's exactly how they play it but I refuse to play the game that way, the beauty of it is in the diversity of roles and each role has a lot to fulfill and can contribute directly to winning the game not only the carry, that's why they should somehow force people to stick to their roles even at low brackets because It's not really fun having 5 carries in the jungle

                        JAX

                          @-.- That's exactly how I got into low priority now, after I lost 9 games where people didn't pick their role (but I played these games to my full ) I stopped, whenever someone picks a wrong role I'd try a new hero open the mic and keep shiting on them the whole game because fuck this system

                          Karl Marx

                            1) People on your rank, you included, simply don't have the mental capacity to comprehend roles, let alone play them, no offense. Just pick cores until you get out of the gutter.
                            2) Your behavior score suggests you deserve it anyway.

                            JAX

                              @LegendaryHD no I always pick my role and play the lane no matter what anyone else picked and yes I play off or safe but if terrorblade came to u on the safe and u have drow guess who's gonna take the farm? but still, not all the games of course I was able to get decent farm but even when I got farm I still lost if the team composition is bad cause of course ull lose if there is no proper initiation no space creation etc, but I should play mid more, my hero pool of mid is limited and I tried playing before and did good, but for me mid is what wins u the game with proper ganks and I see that am not good enough for it yet, although some of the mid players I encountered were utter shit

                              LegendaryHD

                                @LegendaryHD no I always pick my role and play the lane no matter what anyone else picked and yes I play off or safe but if terrorblade came to u on the safe and u have drow guess who's gonna take the farm? but still, not all the games of course I was able to get decent farm but even when I got farm I still lost if the team composition is bad cause of course ull lose if there is no proper initiation no space creation etc, but I should play mid more, my hero pool of mid is limited and I tried playing before and did good, but for me mid is what wins u the game with proper ganks and I see that am not good enough for it yet, although some of the mid players I encountered were utter shit

                                Just focus on your last hit, most of the time when I watch how guardian bracket plays on twitch they always not focus on last hit or deny and often idling and wasting their time instead of farm, my first and basic suggestion is you should just focus on last hit and don't harass your enemy too often and never waste your time idling.

                                JAX

                                  @Putin get out of Crimea y... U just assumed my mental capacity for comprehension, looks like you're mentally ill, I have spent half my playing time on dota watching tutorials watching people play reading articles, I understand perfectly how this game works and how it should be played, I play in some heroes better than others but there is always more to learn, hell I used to play unranked with a friend of mine before I decided to play ranked and get a rank he's a legend 2 and judging from my play he told me ud be at best 2.5k mmr and that is him trying to roast me plus my behavior score was 8.9k at the start of the week but as I said I opened my mic and started cursing everyone not playing their roles without bothering in that game myself and that's 1 or 2 reports per game

                                  JAX

                                    @LegendaryHD yea I do focus on that but mate u're missing my point, am not really bothered if I win or lose, and I give my best in each game, the only thing that's enraging me is having to wait 10 min to play safe just to have someone queued as support in 1 min to play carry on the safe lane it pisses me off, just give me normal games where everybody is picking their roles, it doesnt matter if they dont know how to play them properly I try to tell them as much as I know (but mostly they dont listen) but I want to play the game as intended, so the penalty for picking roles other than your queue should be more severe

                                    LegendaryHD

                                      @LegendaryHD yea I do focus on that but mate u're missing my point, am not really bothered if I win or lose, and I give my best in each game, the only thing that's enraging me is having to wait 10 min to play safe just to have someone queued as support in 1 min to play carry on the safe lane it pisses me off, just give me normal games where everybody is picking their roles, it doesnt matter if they dont know how to play them properly I try to tell them as much as I know (but mostly they dont listen) but I want to play the game as intended, so the penalty for picking roles other than your queue should be more severe

                                      That's the problem most of them still don't understand and it's pointless to teach them because they will still don't understand the only way to get that goal is to climb on a higher rank (minimum Archon) and increase your behavior score by playing well.

                                      JAX

                                        alright, thanx man

                                        Shm1l:)

                                          picking what is consider support hero isn` t same as playing support, siting in lane with cm and not attacking creeps aren`t supporting your carry. Playing 5man farming team is week cause one good farmed core will crush all of you, with half time also if you have bad items and you but for example 2 vladimirs, stack 3 radiance in team. Good side is that other team make same mistake or even worst. Low mmr games are won by teams that make less big mistakes. PPl who complain about roles are one that will pick hard carry or second carry always. high mmr ppl think that they are so smart and use ruff words like low mental capacity, but they have a point in don`t understanding, roles like these game
                                          https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4975902050
                                          4 man dagon in one team? vs viper lc, it`s far from normal, and oponent just 2 bkbs roles are items, hero, play stile
                                          but if they put that 3 yeas ago ppl will maybe learm faster, in wow ppl now about roles because they were from the beginning, but when dota was made they didn` t think about roles, it`s came with play that ppl figured out what the need, and how to play, so roles are changed in time. But in next 1yer ppl will understand overall.

                                          JAX

                                            what is the point ure making? in that particular game u linked queued roles are as follows me support pos 4 hard support picked grim our safe lane picked huskar mid lane picked lion and offlane picked puck. on our lane cm and void didnt get a chance we were harassing the shit out of them that's why void abandoned I was rotating mid to help lion, after void dcd the advantage we got getting tier 2 towers we lost it and they had more levels than us, I started playing rubick cause I enjoy him as a hero after my games were shit, I usually get an aeon disk for him but I didn't need it that game cause I wasn't picked off so I thought an extra dmg from the dagon is something I need more for we are not having the dmg to kill them, what is your point ? and yes I didn't like neither puck on the hard lane neither huskar on the safe because they had void and lc but it is how it is, all my rubick games are for fun and me enjoying the hero nothing more

                                            ㄚ- 天照`

                                              Ur medal define your skill,btw i can win with any hero on your bracket and also i once has 43-3 on lion,its not about what role ur playing is about how to carry yourself in the trench of baboon

                                              KUKULAMIN KA BUT THE K IS...

                                                OP is actually divine rank but hes being held back by his team mates :(

                                                LegendaryHD

                                                  ^WTf kyle pog win streaks.

                                                  Shm1l:)

                                                    @JAX exactly you won game without playing roles, all of you got one role, nuker, or (semi carries) Husk was hard carry . as supports you have more last hits than mid. Mine point is just you can win without playing roles in pub just focus on skill, and mechanics.
                                                    in short playing position while don` t know what are they roles is pointless, but if ppl learn how to play them and understand them, than efficiently will increase, that was long game so all of you could get farm( like 300+creeps), but all of you had one sided build. And if you really played roles you could win in 40 min not in 70.
                                                    p.s. I don` t know how wards are used.