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General DiscussionVariables that ruin MMR

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Grimorum

    How can Valve eliminate or reduce some of these variables?

    1) Visible picks means other players can counter-pick. Remove AP from MMR or Hide picks from opponents?

    2) Luck: Will your best player on the team lane against the other team's weakest player? Will your team play their best or worst heroes?
    In Dotalicious, the player with the highest MMR had priority for solo mid.

    Note:
    I haven't played Ranked yet, but I will when I get the new comp soon.

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    mwsqz

      right i jsut picked od and a scumbag took razor

      mwsqz

        also brood pickers should lose points even if they win, just sayin

        Vi's

          I'll say hire more mathematician and figure it out.

          Alyosha

            1) Play captains mode (you can't hide picks the other team might try to pick that hero)
            2) MM is built to have a minimum range in skill level, but it doesn't matter... In pro dota lanes aren't placed among skill but position
            Or you could always play in stacks

            Strongmind

              hh.Nova´ That for brood is not true. Got 2 friends brood pickers 5300 and 4900 mmr.. ofc. you get points for win with brood.

              kalz | 永遠の領主

                Are you that good Invoker player? I didn't know you only had a few games played!

                Woof Woof

                  most important variable that should be removed is valve

                  Vandal

                    For the second complaint, I think having MMR shared to teammates is a good idea. Note that you'd still be able to hide your MMR from friends and whatnot - but anyone on your team would be able to see it while they're in a game with you. I think it's a fair compromise, and I follow the train of thought that if you prefer otherwise, you can just fall back on hidden matchmaking. Competitive matchmaking is centered around more information to make more enjoyable games and to motivate people.

                    frostychee

                      You bring up a good point. In dota, you have no idea who your best player (who you most often would want mid). In HON, where MMR was visible, blue/pink would pretty much always go mid, and if not at least teal/gray.

                      In HON, you'd never see a blue/brown or pink/orange matchup, but it's quite possible in dota with hidden MMRs.

                      Luxalpa, Primal Calamity

                        "right i jsut picked od and a scumbag took razor"
                        rofl, I pick OD very often, people constantly try to counter me with Razor, however pretty much all of them are too noob to handle my OD^^

                        MADARASINDAHOUSE

                          @Grimorum

                          I Totaly agree for Hidepick while in AP Mode..
                          last 3 solo Ranked games seems fine to me..
                          no throwers/ruiners/very bad players! both teams play good!
                          i want more ranked games to be sure about the quality of ranked games

                          Alyosha

                            @Outworld
                            HOW DO YOU PLAY OD FOR 2500 GAMES
                            congrats on not getting bored but jesus that seems mindnumbing

                            cartographer

                              AP should not be allowed in ranked mode. This one requirement alone solved many of the issues with ranked MM at the moment.

                              King of Low Prio

                                Am I the only person who plays this game for fun?

                                Terrible

                                  @Sampson, after all the bitching about DSR and stuff, how can you actually say that?

                                  King of Low Prio

                                    How did me discussing a website that clearly does not function correctly mean that I do not play for fun?

                                    6_din_49

                                      "1) Visible picks means other players can counter-pick. Remove AP from MMR or Hide picks from opponents?"

                                      But then the "Luck" variable will be even more important! I think replacing AP with RD should be enough to fix this problem.

                                      yiran

                                        How is counter-picking a variable that ruins your rating? If you're going to instapick a hero that's your own problem. Untick AP if you hate it so much; it's pretty simple.

                                        Oh and luck is a problem! Well I guess Ogre Magi is getting banned. (And PA, and CK, and Jugg, and Daed, and MKB, and Void, and Butterfly, and Basher, and Roshan, and all heroes cause their damage actually varies. Oops.)

                                        Yoshi

                                          @Albinoblackbear:
                                          Some of use like to play the same hero a lot, i dont have nearly as much games as the Outworldzilla but i could never get bored of rubick :)

                                          xLeGend_oF_SwAg

                                            i like when they wait 30sec till creepspawn to pick. that means u can freely take a walk trough their jugnle and calmly ward and block what u want. not to mention if u are organised and waiting smoked u get ez few kills when creeps spawn

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                                            Yoichi Isagi | Blue Lock

                                              Just don't lose. It takes awhile to get back up to your normal MMR.