Any ranged hero, nuker or anti-melee heroes (sand king, timber etc). Pretty much anything except void / spectre / am / lycan / meepo.
u need a range and preferablly 1 stunner or something, dazzle works good. If axe has a healer u might also wanna focus him first. If he is too sneaky. then u have to just focus axe down and burn his tango/pots. just don't get dived on and or get his counter helix hits. sometimes u have to pull another guy down there to trilane his arse before he get s a ring of health. Lane is done tho if tower falls or he gets vanguard.
you shoud spam "GO PLS GANK HELP ME GANK DIS AXE HE IS SO FUCKING ANNOYING I NO FARM PLZ HELP" on your mid player so he gives up farm + exp
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^ What wave just said is the sadly the classic scenario for most solo mid players. Please never ask your mid to solve that kind of problem, ever.
pull the big camp with his creeps- farm
also looks like u were dual vs him, u shoud just hit him while he tank the wave and carry farm -repeat until he cant do shit anymore ( 2stouts = he had only 3tangoes?..)
also " pick this, pick that" cant u guys be more useless ? obviously he alrdy picked his hero and didnt know that axe will do that
What Nova said, I'm wondering if there are ways to shut him down even if we have tons of melee (We had Lion, Morph, PA). The ion shell idea sounds really good. I was also thinking that maxing up mana drain could keep him from spamming battle hunger, but our T1 was pretty much destroyed by the time I was lvl 2.
Lots of range support heroes can kill a backlaning axe easily. Venomancer is the best.
If its axe + a healer then its much harder. You should defensive tri-lane against that with 2 range heroes at least. I used to see axe cutting creeps every game in dota 1, but now it seems few people know how/have the balls to do it.
Double stout is not a good idea. Axe should get 2 salves instead of the 2nd stout. If an axe with salves is not focused down and jukes into trees correctly he can be extremely difficult to stop.
not much you can do in this scenario, lions super weak <lvl 6 and pa/morph are two of the weakest laning carries in the game (pa can scrape together farm but cant do shit to shut down an axe, morph doesnt do anything <lvl 5). only thing you can do is go roam and try and win your other lanes and let the carry fend for himself since u wont get anything out of that lane.
based on your post was he trilaning with the bh and rubick (just going based off what you said)
^ when i solo as bounty hunter i hardly can do anything and my enemies freefarm and end up killing my team what am i doing wrong
i like raping other heroes with dark seer as a mate, easy just ion your Axe
let the creep do the work
@relentless
Stout+ring+tango/salve is better, and even though tranqs is no longer viable on him, basilius is now, so the ring doesnt go to waste and gives you even more armor.
Wink that may be fine for normal laning, but for cutting creeps right from level 1 you want 2 salves. You need to be able to heal in a burst in a few seconds between waves... sometimes even faster as heroes are chasing you and you dodge into fog. Only salves can do that for starting items.
If you don't have at least 2 salves you will not be able to sustain it... 3 salves would be even better. Also, just consider the math. 2 armor gives you a very small amount of Effective hp. You would have to tank almost 4,000 dmg with that Ring of Protection before it would be equal to 1 salve. That is just not going to happen. To gain the EHP of two salves you would have to tank almost 8,000 dmg.
The first stout however is Very effective against creeps. If stout blocks 20 dmg from 60% of creep attacks (maybe better, maybe worse its luck...) then against melee creep attacks it adds almost 57% to EHP and against range creep attacks it adds 51% to EHP so each salve is amplified to be worth about 620 EHP while cutting creeps.
The 2nd stout does much less, adding only about 23% to EHP. Ring of Protection is even weaker adding about 12% to EHP. So look at it this way do you want to buff your 1 salve with stout from doing a 620 EHP heal to 762 EHP with 2nd stout? or to 695 EHP with RoP? ... or double it to 1240 EHP with 2 salves? When you think about it like that its very obvious that you want 2 salves.
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So I played a game against an Axe who bought 2 stout shields and some tangos, he'd just sit between our safelane T1 and T2 and would cut off the creeps.
Any way to deal with this strat? We managed to win in the end but it was still a close call, what would be the optimal way to deal with this?