glad i quit winning against decent meepo player was hard before now its going to be twice as hard without stack and when it comes to lycan it wont change much at 4k and very early 5k most people didnt really bother to scout with wolves or follow targets anyway
I don't get why lycan's win rate is so high. Pubs probably don't push hard enough against him and he free farms, then comes and destroys all your towers. He really isn't that great of a carry, no disables, no utility, just crap loads of dmg and a good escape (bkb run away!) but his true role is a pushing tower killer. If you don't defend a rax tower right away he'll drop it fast.
^ because lycan is THE very BEST pusher in the game. (evidenced by rank of tower dmg per minute: http://dotabuff.com/heroes/damage )
if you play lycan as a carry then you play him wrong.
... right. you answered your own question . now I don't get why you don't get why lycan's win rate is so high XD
But since he can't carry, he's not hard to counter, just team push before he can kill you late. I personally don't get any sense of dread seeing lycan on the opposing team and am surprised by his high win rate.
there's no "he can kill you late"... he dont kill heroes, he just takes towers down.
Probably i play lycan wrong. but I try my best not to present in the team fight.
any team push before 10 minute is not quite likely to happen, especially in pub game.
a jungle lycan is easily countered but lycan can also lane.
imo 55% is a fair reflect that lycan is one of the good heroes. overall.
BTW. I believe lycan winrate will probably DROP in 6.80. though wolves got buff'd a little. Necro3 is nerf'd more.
Wolf buffs mean almost nothing. It won't let you push faster, kill heroes faster, kill Rosh faster. They will just do better scouting and can jungle more easily alone. That's it. This won't change the hero at all.
15 hp regen is a actually ok buff. let you split push lane a bit longer.
the real thing nerf to lycan is necro3.
@wave Well yeah. Helpin' friends out. He may be abuser and bla bla bla but a good guy imo.
You didn't have to micro the wolves before, lycan just tanked during jungle farm. He wasn't even a "micro hero" back then, just a hero that had 3 units selected at all times rather than 1, except during the easiest of pve farming.
The point of the 15 regen buff is to try to force players to utilize micro in order to keep wolves alive. Frankly though, its not very useful when you get it at level 4 wolves so lycan still can only be laned and wont see much real play.
As for pubbing, the changes wont help him much at all.
but sure, ritualistic suicide seems appropriate.
Clearly you make up facts and don't even know what you're talking about. The wolves had 2x hp so lycan in fact wasn't tanking the freaking damage all by himself which is the case now. Apparently a guy who can't get above 53 wr on smurf doesn't have the right to talk about dota here. In the end you just riddicule yourself again. I'm not going to respond to you again and have fun being so close-minded as you are right now.
winrate matters apparently?
And i pretty clearly stated that the pve micro for lycan was easy and negligible. I never mentioned anything about his wolves HP. I simply stated he wasn't a micro intensive hero, and thus he could pub stomp easily. When i said "lycan tanked" I meant that he and the wolves took turns, whereas now the wolves can barely take any damage. I've seen some people do decently in the jungle by intentionally dying after a few camps to get a wolf respawn, but its not very reliable.
If you want to insult me, don't say that "I ridiculed myself" as that makes absolutely no sense. What you are trying to say is "I made a fool of myself," but as this is a rather fluff exchange that is completely meaningless, can't say I am affected. Stay salty if it pleases you.
with necros he was soso micro hero. nothing more than a beastmaster for example.
and if you can master micro heroes you can actually do rather well in pubs.
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no denying that. I consider pubstomp heroes as easily to play heroes that do well in any bracket, but in particular lower brackets. Spirit Breaker being the hero used as an example in this thread.
lol the main buff is the fade delay on invisibility. Wolves Fade Time decreased from 3 to 1.7 . So wolves can now hit n run from level 5 and maybe get hit once. From level 7 they will trade harass even easier. Admit it, nobody will ever buy sentries against lycan. of course this doesn't give advantage to lycan that is left in free lane or a jungling one. he still pushes like truck though.
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Lycan is currently underused hero in both pubs and competitive play but still has nearly 55% win rate(#9) . So this buff is pretty massive and allows him to lane much better.
I remember Spirit breaker had almost similar situation before he got dark charge buffed and then became #1 pubstomper that we had in all of our games.
thanks god lycan is not that popular(#83) so he will have to climb that ladder if he suddenly becomes OP.
Probably biggest winners of this patch will be Lycan, Meepo, sniper and possibly void with huskar.
Centaur may also become quite better (that -30 secs on stampede lvl 1 makes difference)