fv - seen if a couple of times
am - seen it a couple of times
spec - dunno
dusa - very likely outcarries
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LC reks tb, troll reks him hard aswell.
Like in a team fight? 1v1? 1v1 is stupid so let's assume team fight, you need some aoe so you can determine which one is him, you need cc to lock him down so he can't sunder you and you need something to tank the dmg. I had a lot of success vs him as viper recently, I could tank his dmg, reduce his attack speed by a ton with my poisons, my team had rubick and dark seer who would lift him when he was low or vacuum. If he goes all rat doto on you though I'm not sure, force a team fight?
I dont know how to deal with his splitpush, but in team fights i think is probably easy for tb to get killed
http://dotabuff.com/matches/552716758 This TB got really really fat for its time and we had only 2 raxes left and a tower and me as panda and leshrac just melted his illusions
In lategame TBs ridicilous damageoutput comes from his illusions, melt the illusions and you are good to go. Brewmaster does well in general agaisnt TB but in general if you melt the illusions, regardless if on your own or as team, it wrecks him :(
A good TB will build such that his illusions are extremely difficult to take down late game (save against the likes of Lion/Enchant). Few cores can do well against him late; Tinker and Ember are probably the best at wearing down illusions while having the mobility to deal with split push, but alone they won't be able to outcarry TB.
In terms of actual late game carries I've only lost to tri-core lineups that got extremely fed early game.
Typical late game carries like Dusa and Void might be capable of dealing with his illusions or taking him down 1v1 when he has everything on cooldown; however they lack the mobility to deal with the pressure TB can exert via split-pushing.
@100kpm
i used to be a fan from you when started dota, watched your invoker OoV games on gosugamers :D
Anyways he was fat, just his items did not changed after they got the raxes. He had manta + skadi in around 22~ mins
easiest way to deal with tb anyway, take lion in your team to deal with illu, split better than tb with pl.
Edit: Oki, i would never watch a single replay anyway, and i will never expect such an harsh stop in farm,... how can he only farm eaglesong in 25 minutes considering he has manta skady ? wtf
Medusa ulti kills illusions and slows the main hero even through BKB so she is actually pretty good against TB. But only in a teamfight. A good TB will avoid fights as much as possible till the point he can 1-2v5 the enemy team. So instead you should try to get some good teamfight and pushing and force him to fight you. Then you need to lock him down and kill him with heroes like Rhasta and Hex.
Anti Mage is a joke vs Tb,if you didnt knew Blunt Tb need 0 mana at lvl 16 for his ultimate
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You know, TB's page shows the heroes with the biggest advantage against him to be Sand King and Axe, but Centaur is actually the hero he wins the least against. No, I'm not going to question how this is calculated because I do get the idea, but what I want to know is how exactly do they counter him?
Centaur I imagine is because he can take his entire team to catch up to TB for some gangrape?
http://dotabuff.com/heroes/terrorblade
so tb out carries spec and ls.
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@zano.
centaur probably means 'good early ganking'. with cent's ult or blink ?
actually bogi, am was great against tb (never understood why thought), till the moment tb receive that wonderfull reflection spell, or how to burn the whole mana pull of am in a single spell late game (not to mention the insane damage)
Does blade mail work against sunder? I don't get the way damage is dealt dring sunder, I understand the spell but yeah
@Bogi:
What the hell is wrong with you?
manaburn, bash, mana void -> dead TB. Its not a hard concept u know. TB is not a lategame hardcarry, he will fail agaisnt most hardcarries unless you get a very lucky sunder off from somewhere. He is a splitpushing hero which is not meant to go 1v1 against other carries, looking at your 37.50% winrate with TB you clearly don't know what you're talking about. So why not just be quiet for once and stop acting like an idiot?
Fnatic.Blunt Roflmao, I ll have with tb 60% + soon thats cus I didnt knew how to play him first 5 games,before I watched matrice replays.
He is one of the strongest 1v1 caries you dont have idea what you talking about actually.
Well i am pretty sure that if TB is such a strong force against 5k, 6k players is for something blunt, you cant say that you are better than those kind of players, if you easily stomp TB pickers in -5k is probably because they are all bad.
against TB if you do not do a aggro tri/dual lane against him you are likely to lose game. The problem is in most pubs is that they refuse to change from the 3-1-1 lanes
@Bogi:
The stats after u watched matrice:
5win 4loss
And you want a 60%+ winrate with tb? Are you really this stupid?
I didnt bother to read any guides on TB, i played 1 match and failed horribly, i wanted to see the skills, cs animation etc. After that i just played TB how i think he should be played and what do ya know, my winrate is 75% after having 1 more game than you with TB.
you have no idea what you're talking about, maybe you need to fail more until your tiny brain catches on, because right now your 37,5% winrate doesnt seem enough for ya.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/537188776
AM with more farm than TB --> outcarried. In this game dire ran a successful aggressive tri, shutting down TB for the first 10 minutes giving him almost entirely no farm.
AM's only threat to TB is a well-timed mana void on the main hero thanks to TB's sizable pool late. He hurts for slots late game and is forced to get MKB against TB whereas TB has no need to get such items against AM.
Hell, the five-slotted Alch couldn't even 1v1 my illusion when his ulti was up.
a bunch or dagon & axe.. when he gets low, dagon & ult. if he swaps in time, the other people dagon him.
I haven't seen a lot of TB, but i'd assume medusa since she has great AOE damage and her ulti kills illusions?
Maybe pure damage also to deal with his high armor, like OD.
anti mage. Out rat the rat and if he tries to man fight you, you usually win, just depends on each hero's farm. Also if its early on you can mana burn him so he cant use sunder.
@blunt
can't believe how ignorant i was considering i was in that game
2 full lanes of raxes down gg invoker thanks for the come back from that
i got carried so hard
lmao
tb is king of rat
on par with radiance naga
am is nothing
gets outratted by tb
out man-fight-ed
out farmed
bullshit counterpick
kunkka with cleave? i send in illusions to rax the lane opposite where the creeps come in. kunkka hits 5 times -> all misses
am port back to fight one solo illusion -> loses
rage sells bfury and buys mkb
no shit invoker has a better score he wasnt facing a lich+alch+visage tri-lane. try taking tower dives at 2 min and 1 less creep per wave.
blunt y u heff 2 be so med
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scrub doesn't realize when hes getting carried. Poor little guy.
and solo invoker did this well against a trilane? Wow, you played against idiots aswell, you were prolly the idiot compensating the others on the enemyteam, gj tardon.
blunt for president
english as bad as his sense of logic
which part of he wasnt facing a trilane you dont understand
i think youre brainded
guess all the competitive players i wrekt with tb were scrubs
blunt teach plz
#roadtoti4
It's k I'm bored waiting for Alliance Navi draft to finish, Blunt makes good entertainment.
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he mad like dendi. you're talking about bad english yet you can't speak english, all i see is chinlish.
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don't say early gank tb. that's common knowledge. lets assume early ganking failed and tb got fat.
which carries can out carry tb ? void spec pl am dusa ? thoughts ?