I go aghs->deso->butter then my final ítem changes. Id say ac is better after butter but if you think the whole team could need it then get it
Phase / Drums / Agha / Deso
Situational or lategame -
Mjolinir - Procs in omnislash
Butterfly - Cause why the hell not also you get actual auto attacks in omnislash
AC - If your team needs it and you want it. Go get it.
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Jugger is a strong early - mid game who does pale slightly later unless you have gotten the start you need with him. The current meta favors the mid picks and early pushers so none of this midas battlefury stuff.
Aghs is overrated. Even after the buff, the item itself does almost nothing for you. Just to upgrade my ulti I wouldn't waste 4200 money. If a guy is alone, you will kill him anyway. If he is not alone, you won't kill him anyway. So Aghs is actually strong late game where you can get a rampage with a single ulti (when you have bf/mjollnir). Instead I would get Phase -> Drums -> Yasha -> Maelstrom -> Manta. Then you can get items like Bfly, MKB, Basher, upg to Mjollnir, Diffusal, Deso or even a BKB.
Maelstrom is my favorite farming item on jugger.
Now, sam do you think manta is better than S&Y on jugger ? I know illusions can crit but i thought hp and mov speed on him was better than illusions.
well, plus the fact that it keeps you safer when against carry lineups, cause you would only go aghs if they didnt have heroes that would go euls/ghost commonly - otherwise it'd be a complete waste
a 70 sec cd plus more strikes + the desperate mana pool he needs. i think it stands right where it is.
Illusions are actually used more for Jugg's already strong pushing power. If you are fat enough, you are actually a pretty fast pusher. Also it let's you dispell those annoying silences which are bane of your existence.
^never tried diff on jugg before, would you call it more effective than deso? Or is it something you would get if your teammate is already going deso?
Diff is good because it gives you a slow to chase people and also lets you dispell things like silences and especially ghost scepter. Nothing more annoying than seeing your hero jumping around doing nothing to a single guy. Also illusions get the mana burn, so it's more effective with manta.
You should thry Mijollnir, jugg gives off an amount of his auto attack in his jumps based on you attack speed (maxed out at 1 for every single jump at 315 attack speed). You can also get a maelstrom early to farm your other items faster such as the aghs and deso. Think of it as a poor man's Battlefury.
Personally i don't like manta on jugger much.. If getting yasha going into sange is equally viable.
That said, i prefer replacing yasha with HoD. I rather have the lifesteal, and have the late game satanic/ulti combo... which is basically like adding a cheese heal to your ulti. I think it is underrated.
phase - drums - mealstrom - HoD -mjolnir /butterfly/satanic.
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[i]"Personally i don't like manta on jugger much.. If getting yasha going into sange is equally viable.
That said, i prefer replacing yasha with HoD. I rather have the lifesteal, and have the late game satanic/ulti combo... which is basically like adding a cheese heal to your ulti. I think it is underrated.
phase - drums - mealstrom - HoD -mjolnir /butterfly/satanic."[/b][/i]
you cant heal with satanic through your ulti, even when you have the attack speed... why you posting BS on this forum?
You are wrong wink.
But it sounds more like you are hurt that i disagreed with you in the vanguard thread.
nice reply. i just fucking tested it, i can post a video of it. here one sec, leme record and upload.
please do post a video.
either way you are the only one that is mad.
Invulnerable during ulti - auto attacks function normally during ulti = heals. Last time i checked the omni slash attacks also place debuffs and trigger effects.
no cooldown on satanic? cheat mode?
Also, Dumb ass has a B in it.
stay angry.
no shit cheat mode, and it changes nothing regarding hp, just mana and cooldowns are affected
might be bugged. Works in dota 1, or at least it used to.
And it is def a bug if the auto attacks in between omni slash aren't life stealing.
there are several bugg posts on the subject on dota 2 dev, and it runs against the change with activating during his ulti.
immortal units cant have their hp affected at all, which means during omnislash, nothing can happen to him. he can even omni through void ulti, blackhole, and while ruptured. its like he phase shifted, except he can actually be hooked out of omnislash (without taking damage)
Jugger is a mid game hero (at least I see him as a mid game carry) better and shadowblade because ninja
im too tired to argue about shadowblade jugg, this fucking vanguard bs is enough in the mean time
Sb is an okay item on him. He can be extremely hard to kill with it.
Also id never get a satanic. Its a waste tbh. You already have an amazing heal, if you want life leech might as well get him a mom and a basher.
Build deso every game. Never go aghs. Now you can actually right click people.
Typical progression for me is either yasha deso basher bfly or yasha deso bfly manta. Abyssal is strong, mkb is good, skadi is good (but then you didn't go deso :S)
AC is a good item in theory, but in practice Jug's hp pool is kinda shit for a dedicated armor item and going AC really hurts your DPS. If you get it after skadi you're pretty damn tanky though.
6 slot would look something like skadi bfly abyssal mkb AC travels
Shadow blade is pretty bad compared to similarly priced alternatives
Hardly an alternative.
Those are all flat out different items.
Im talking about utility sb provides. None of those match that.
Its like saying skadi is an alternative to hex.
Edit: also im not saying any of those 3 are bad items. Ive certainly played enough to see bunch of different styles work. For example mjolnir can be amazing on jug, yet id almost never make it and so on.
Alternative doesn't mean they serve the same purpose. You could eat both pizza and burger. Even though they are almost totally different, they are "alternatives" to each other. Also Jugg doesn't really need an escape. You can just spin-TP from most things.
You dont use sb only to escape.
Being able to position yourself well is worth a heck more than being able to shoot lightening sometimes.
For example when i talk about alternatives im talking about comparable stuff. Otherwise i would just say get an 'x item' instead.
Also id never in a million years go build the guy above me suggested. I tried it, but never again.
To each his own.
how dare you, this is how you play juggernaut the right way!
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My reasoning for a SB on jugger is that
1) its great for initation/escape pickoffs
2) I never intend to go lategame with jugger prefare end by 25-35 min mark threw the advantage I gained from previous kills.
3) Supports will be more crippeled trying to get dust and sentries and honestly at 3o min mark supports items have bigger impact thus allowing your team to finish in a 5v4 fight instead of 5v5 (diffrence between a rubik with arcanes +forcestaff and rubik with brown boots, magic wand and dust)
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I like to go Phase>(if farms going well straight to ulti scepter otherwise drumz) Aghs>Deso>Butterfly>
Now afterbutter im kind of at a loss, I remember back in the day Mjolinir was good cause of attack speed and chain lightning, Is that still the case ? i usually go mjol vlads to finish up, is that proper or should i be getting something else ? i feel vlads is most replacable but its good utility.. maybe an AC instead ?