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General DiscussionAnyone can help me evaluate this match?

Anyone can help me evaluate this match? in General Discussion
Autumn

    http://dotabuff.com/matches/601766501

    It would be appreciated if someone can watch this match,and tell me how we lost,as I thought this game was a pretty close one.

    ness

      lack of pushing, rat terriblade :)

      yiran

        theorycrafting from results, can't watch game right now

        you didn't get bloodstone on timbersaw – only mana regen is from linkens. Also, linkens bkb is weird – you have enough innate survivability and mobility to not die fast and not get focused in teamfights. If you're getting caught out then you're playing it wrong. Also timbersaw falls of sharply late late game (the case in yours) due to lack of trees in base and also his spells doing less %hp of enemy therefore rendering chakram slow less effective, and the presence of enemy bkbs obviously. blademail kind of exacerbates the last point which is why I never get it - he has enough magic output which gets blocked by impunity by bkb, now you're just making bkb counter you even more

        also, I think they're lineup is better for late game. Sure you had morphling but they had terrorblade, as well as the mighty pushers shadow shaman and death prophet, which is important late game as the game becomes a base race with high respawn times. morphling's most effective pushing period is not late game and phoenix is a poor scaler into late game, because once people have over 140 AS it is less significant (like 80 to -60 is HUGE but 200 to 140? not so much) as well as the egg being killed easily. You might argue about sun ray but again – bkbs. your team as a whole sucks against bkbs. Only morphling and invoker with physical dps (not this one) can do anything through bkbs.

        that's from theorycrafting from results page, not sure if accurate, read at own risk

        Autumn

          Well I went for linkens because I don't want to be sundered if I need to go up close and personal to tb.Also I went bkb so as not to get disabled and die for nothing ,since they have dp silence and disables from SS.I will try to work on my item routes though.

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          Gustaphos

            Need some anti push when you see a death prophet and a shadow shaman on the board & a Terror blade late game? Those are 3 good pushers. Wheres the anti push heros?