General DiscussionMedusa, Spectre, Void who is the best?

Your team decides that for you as well as the individual skills of the person playing it.

Medusa-
BKB/Linkens depending on enemy
Mjollinir
Daedalus
Butterfly
Divine Rapier
MkB/Divine Rapier depending on enemy evasion

I'd say Void or Spec

Well that's right
I have a game with those 3 heroes in late game, i did it good but my teammates really dumb. They just throw, bb and throw again

The thing is, a 6 slotted spectre will kill the enemy suports,
A 6 slotted void could shut down the enemy carry even removing the NEED for the 6th slot MKB and setup with the rest of your team.
A 6 slotted medusa... just cant move and spends all her time for positioning and isn't a mobile hero anyways... I'm not a fan

yeah, your agument about medusa was right. I've seen medusa w/ 3 rapiers, Skadi, Mjollnir, and Linken
She must be forced to get faster lol

1. Don't blame your team mates this hinders your growth as a player
2. Don't always go Vanguard on spectre, this hurts your early game and grounds you while you try and farm other items.
3. You have one game as Void
4. Medusa is not a good hero unless protected, don't play her without at least one friend (or unless you're high tier)

Looking at your carry games you are more focused on farming then actually doing anything useful for the team. With this comes increased difficulty as they're fighting for your farm, farm which you never seem to get. You're items are (sorry) awful and you primarily go Vangards + SnY on Spectre then wonder why you lose.

> Work on item progression
> Work on impact early & mid game
> Work on farming techniques as you seem to farm but always have very few last hits as a carry

......Just my thoughts.

O_O What he said ^

Wow, good i thought spec always go vanguard. But this void is random pick, i did good last hit in early - mid game
but my mates already fed them so much until they're dat fat in late game.

But can i get a good advice about spec farm and built? since its base damage isnt good and also don't have farm skill?

Boots - Drums - Magic Stick: Early Game

Difusal - Yasha: Mid Game

Manta - Heart - Butterfly: Late Game

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Midas - Vanguard: Situational/Optional Early
Radiance - Blademail - BKB: Situational/Optional Mid
Refresher - Linkens: Situational/Optional Late

Currently the best Spectre by hero score

http://dotabuff.com/players/65782028/matches?date=&faction=&hero=spectre&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

lol medusa don't have to move u just stand there and watch how they melt to your split shot right click, if they try to fucus u just stone gaze,
have to be protected a little yes

skadi is must

But radiance have good killing potential to its illusion right? also annoying when teamfight

Yes radiance is always a good option and simply situational depending on farm. Don't try and get a radiance if its 25 minutes in, you have 2K gold and your team is getting wrecked. Also this is why people skip the Vanguard cause it takes about 2K away from your radiance if you're getting one, also radiance helps you flash farm and help more in team fights while still afk farming, Vanguard helps only you.

Medusa ofc.

just that Mystic Snake is crap spell, useless late game,
and early u have to max. shield (if u don't want to die to one nuke) and new Split Shot (more targets = more farm)
so rly stats > Mystic Snake imo

radiace is a farming/pushing item.

Spec late game = Monster
I tried it once and need more than 4 heroes to shut me down. Also spec can be used as initiator while they busy with their haunt :3

^ u mean anti-initiator :D

nah, its haunt really annoying. 7 seconds with spectre, making it 10 vs 5. Dat hero -_-

Well Mana shield is basically 2x HP while Backtrack is 4/3 and dispersion is a bit less, There are other factors though, but I think that chrono is just a big advantage of void that makes him very strong in 1v1 fights, Medusa can activate ult but void can just run/timewalk away and come back with chrono. Spectre though doesnt have that much in 1v1 fights IMO. I think void wins against them both and medusa wins against spectre.(I'm talking about 1v1 6 slotted battles here, not related to how good this heroes are to have them in team)

Stop buying drum on spectre you scum :c

Also wtf spectre has one of the best 1v1 manfights in the game, stop skipping manta

then what should it be in early game for spectre?

@JDF The top 50 Spectre players would disagree with you on about the Drums.

@Hankata You can also go a casual vitality booster if you're in need of a little HP earlier on.

Vanguard, Midas, or nothing.

Drums is 2k gold for 9 damage 19 IAS 10% ms 117 mana and 171 hp. Vanguard is 250hp damage block and HP REGEN. Midas is 30 IAS and gold.

Ya drums works on illusions for some utterly baffling reason but it's not needed. Someone like Jug or Tiny absolutely requires drum because shit mana pool + spammy high cost spells + kiteable. Spec isn't kiteable, and her mana costs are nowhere near as bad as jug or tiny

You spend all this money on drums and get 1 extra dagger some ms and some hp. Really really low impact item on a slow farming hard carry, and it usually delays your rad by more than vanguard because you have no regen

Top 50 players can take it up with the pro scene I guess

But Vanguard here provide only dmg block and regen right? And midas is 190 gold every 100secs and +10 AS, it will hard if the enemy do gank in early game. but vanguard and drum is good option than midas

I see midas like +115 gpm

but i think it will be little bit risky since midas only provide free gold every 100 secs and + AS only. But if do safelane maybe the game will turned extremely

Midas gives xp too though. Honestly you could buy dagon first on spectre and still win, once she gets her first big item it's all ogre

dafuq, i forgot about that (exp) -_-
But dagon on spec? it will caused mana problem seriously

Not a serious item lol. If you want to troll 400 damage global nuke + desolate = gg. Reality dagger dagon kill hide in trees tp to base repeat

Spectre cause she'll melt the team down. Void needs positioning and so does Medusa for her ult.

That also depends on your team and enemy team. Spectre can be anywhere attacking anyone, stopping enemy blinks, forcing fights to happen and ya stuff like that too lazy to type more.

Also cause Spectre is one of my favorite carries ;D

Tinker due to the infinite hex

Infinite if you combine it with arcane aura from OD in ability draft

I'm not that good on spectre, but she seems to have very poor sustain in lane. She can get harassed out easily, can't farm well, can't do jungle well. I love vanguard for the sustenance it provides. I mean really all you need is a stout shield and the ring of health but if you get that you might as well go all the way for the vanguard right?

It's not necessary if you have good lane support who nabs you free farm, but I rarely have adequate lane support.

Regarding which is better of those 3, it's all dependant on your team and enemy team. Void syncs well with ranged damage dealers on your own team, medusa syncs well with disablers on your team, spectre late game syncs with anyone, but early needs the most support I feel, and is best vs a lot of squishy enemies like supporters.

Would definitely love to hear some early game item builds for both void and spectre (medusa not really interested since I already made my own which does wonders for me). Saw that guy, Phantomcat pickup drums only on spec (no vanguard) and diffusal + radiance. Is radiance worth getting in later stages of the game just for extra damage, counter initiation (not blink fuckers) and split pushing (coupled with heart + manta) ?

ultra late game situation -> void is always the best

What does Spectre offer? An annoying ulti that barely does anything to grouped up enemies, some bonus damage if the enemy isn't near heroes or creeps, a good damage reflect, the ability to run a little faster and phase through stuff at the cost of 2/3 of her entire mana pool.
Doesn't do crap without 4 big items, takes forever to farm anything, needs to have complete free farm for 25 minutes.

What does Medusa have to offer? A powerful teamfight ulti that slows enemies and literally forces them to turn around or else they turn to stone and take massive bonus physical damage. A powerful farming tool that also destroys teamfights. A shield that makes her very tanky. A powerful lane controlling spell that can be spammed after being levelled a few times.
Needs a defensive item, manta, and skadi to be effective, but can catch up even with bad starts thanks to splitshot and stacking.

What does Faceless Void have to offer? A long range "blink" that slows enemies, a POWERFUL and spammable bash, the ability to dodge ~1/3 of all attacks and surpasses MKB, a very strong teamfight ulti for both defensive and offensive purposes that allows for easy rampages.
Needs 1 farming item, an attack speed item, and a daedalus to be effective. Very easy time farming if not SERIOUSLY pressured, and even then has 2 escape mechanisms.

Void for bashlord, Medusa for teamfight obliteration. In pubs, Void is much better, in teams it depends on the lineup. Currently Spectre is trash, anything you do with spectre can be done 10x better on another carry.

Wink has a lot informative things, but a lot that isn't really true. Too much hate towards spectre, neither Medusa or Void can melt a hero that is alone with 3 items behind. Spectre with Manta/Diffisual can solo kill anything that is alone _ALMOST_ no matter how much farm the hero has.

If I had to pick for a team compsition I'd go for Void/Spectre depending, Medusa least.

eh smul doesn't play spectre that often, and even when he does its mostly in parties. there are better examples to learn from.

anyhow, vg on spec is fine if you are facing an impossible lane. or if they have a ton of physical dmg crap. (and I'm talking about 5 man carry full retard lineup).
otherwise you need some hp on her. people get drums because that bracer helps early, as well as ms burst from drums.
if you have the uncontested free farm then you can go radiance/hot, but why the fuck would anyone leave spectre to farm uncontested..

Spectre is trash lol

guis batrider suxx